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The Utopia of Sir Thomas More : Ralph Robinson’s translation, with Roper’s Life of More, and some of his letters / edited by George Sampson, with an introduction and bibliography by A. Guthkelch, to which is added the Latin text of Utopia, reprinted from the first edition. A reprint of the 2d ed. of Robinson’s translation published in 1556

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The Utopia of Sir Thomas More : Ralph Robinson’s translation, with Roper’s Life of More, and some of his letters / edited by George Sampson, with an introduction and bibliography by A. Guthkelch, to which is added the Latin text of Utopia, reprinted from the first edition. A reprint of the 2d ed. of Robinson’s translation published in 1556

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  1. 5 out of 5

    Henry Avila

    As the centuries roll by, more and more books are written about Utopian societies that should be established on Earth, but the few actually tried... fail. Sir Thomas or Saint Thomas More, depending on your affiliation, Utopia , ( greatly influenced by Plato's The Republic) is a satire about tumultuous English politics published in 1516. Raphael Hythloday a Portuguese traveler when Portugal ruled the seas with a very unlikely name for a native of that country. He recites the story of his life, ha As the centuries roll by, more and more books are written about Utopian societies that should be established on Earth, but the few actually tried... fail. Sir Thomas or Saint Thomas More, depending on your affiliation, Utopia , ( greatly influenced by Plato's The Republic) is a satire about tumultuous English politics published in 1516. Raphael Hythloday a Portuguese traveler when Portugal ruled the seas with a very unlikely name for a native of that country. He recites the story of his life, has visited many nations in the world but none which effected him so much like his five- year stay on Utopia. The interested listeners are Sir Thomas More and his friend Belgian Peter Giles, both historical figures, a strange tale unfolds, can the two others believe him? The island republic of Utopia is apparently somewhere in the south Atlantic but never fully disclosed its exact location, where people work only six hours a day, choose their own leaders, despise gold and silver, wear the same type of clothes and no private property, however all their needs the state provides, maybe not living lavishly , yet comfortably, Raphael views all this in the capital, Aircastle . Although they have slaves, mostly criminals and some soldiers captured in war, Utopians seldom fight for themselves hiring foreign mercenaries. This was just another barbarous place until a man named Utopus, conquered it during ancient times, he ordered the digging of a large trench and turning a huge peninsula into an island, letting the sea through, which isolated Utopia from the chaos of the mainland. Organizing an unique republic where everyone works, and education continues all their lives in neat, clean, small cities looking admittedly like all the rest on the isle, when the population grows to an unmanageable number, new colonies are formed in foreign territories . Nonetheless a couple of days a month the inhabitants go to farms and help out, nobody is above getting their hands dirty. Healthcare is free and old people are always provided for in this peaceful land of equality...if you are a citizen. Thomas More knew his ideas were impractical but he wanted to give hope to the poor and oppressed , show the world a better way to live, the imbalance of society had to change or hunger, violence and war would follow, 500 years later the planet has not progressed, the foul has not gone away. Regardless the future is very long and humans are an adoptable species.

  2. 5 out of 5

    Huda Yahya

    توماس مور كما هو معروف هو أول من صاغ هذه الكلمة يوتوبيا وهي تعني في لغتها الأصلية :ليس في مكان وهكذا راح يتصور مور في كتابه هذا المجتمع مثالي كما هكذا بدأت بذور فلسفة المدينة الفاضلة وربما الاشتراكية أيضا بشكل طفيف :::::::::::::: إن نموذج مور لهو نموذج خيالي بحت حتى في اختياره للمكان فهو ليس موجود على الخريطة يبدو مثالي كامل متحرر من كل الشرور التي تعاني منها البشرية على الأرض وأحيانا وأنت تقرأ هذا الكتاب المميز والنادر تراه وقد حول البشر دون أن يشعر لآلات ضخمة منتجة في سبيل ذلك الخير الأسمى الذي لا يتحق توماس مور كما هو معروف هو أول من صاغ هذه الكلمة يوتوبيا وهي تعني في لغتها الأصلية :ليس في مكان وهكذا راح يتصور مور في كتابه هذا المجتمع مثالي كما هكذا بدأت بذور فلسفة المدينة الفاضلة وربما الاشتراكية أيضا بشكل طفيف :::::::::::::: إن نموذج مور لهو نموذج خيالي بحت حتى في اختياره للمكان فهو ليس موجود على الخريطة يبدو مثالي كامل متحرر من كل الشرور التي تعاني منها البشرية على الأرض وأحيانا وأنت تقرأ هذا الكتاب المميز والنادر تراه وقد حول البشر دون أن يشعر لآلات ضخمة منتجة في سبيل ذلك الخير الأسمى الذي لا يتحقق أبدا أفكاره عن الدين كانت مميزة كذلك والكتاب في مجمله من ضرورات مشروع القراءة لدى أي شخص ربما أتكلم عنه بالتفصيل لاحقا

  3. 5 out of 5

    İntellecta

    Ütopya 8. Henry döneminde Thomas More tarafından tasarlanmış bir kitap. Söz konusu esere konu olan Ütopya savaşın, suçun, ve adaletsizliğin olmadığı hayali bir adadır. Burada özel mülkiyete yer yoktur. Hatta insanlar alışmasınlar diye oturdukları konutlar belli süreler sonra değiştirilmektedir. Orwellin 1984'ünde olduğu gibi herkes herkesi gözetler. Özel alan bulunmadığından, herşey her zaman açıkta, göz önünde ve gözetim altındadır. Özel alanın ortadan kalkması gizliliğin, özelliğin, otonomun y Ütopya 8. Henry döneminde Thomas More tarafından tasarlanmış bir kitap. Söz konusu esere konu olan Ütopya savaşın, suçun, ve adaletsizliğin olmadığı hayali bir adadır. Burada özel mülkiyete yer yoktur. Hatta insanlar alışmasınlar diye oturdukları konutlar belli süreler sonra değiştirilmektedir. Orwellin 1984'ünde olduğu gibi herkes herkesi gözetler. Özel alan bulunmadığından, herşey her zaman açıkta, göz önünde ve gözetim altındadır. Özel alanın ortadan kalkması gizliliğin, özelliğin, otonomun yok olmasının da nedenidir Ütopya toplumunda. Ütopya Thomas More'un ideal bir dünya tasavvurundan çok sapmış olarak değerlendirdiği Avrupa medeniyetini bir eleştirisi olarak da görülebilir. More, İngiltere kralına karşı ifade edemediği eleştirilerini Ütopyalıların düşsel yaşamını anlatarak yapmıştır! Ilginç olan 16. yüzyılda bir yazarın ütopyası olan bir durumun 20. yüzyılda bir başka yazarın distopyası haline gelmesidir.

  4. 4 out of 5

    Paul Bryant

    Thomas More's life blah blah feudalism, in which virtually all power resided with enormous white ducks while the peasants had to wear roller skates even in bed. The late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries blah blah Renaissance, a flowering of platform heel shoes and massive shagging blah blah Italy blah blah large glands. Aspects of this blah blah the ducks. Blah blah discovery of smaller ducks, at first denied by Pope Barbary VII. Vasco da Gama proved ducks were American not from Byzantium Thomas More's life blah blah feudalism, in which virtually all power resided with enormous white ducks while the peasants had to wear roller skates even in bed. The late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries blah blah Renaissance, a flowering of platform heel shoes and massive shagging blah blah Italy blah blah large glands. Aspects of this blah blah the ducks. Blah blah discovery of smaller ducks, at first denied by Pope Barbary VII. Vasco da Gama proved ducks were American not from Byzantium. Humanists emphasized the dignity of all reasonably large men, their thought and writings and their halfway-impressive private parts. Blah blah Scots Porridge Oats blah blah Erasmus not a duck, Leonardo partly a duck, John Knox almost entirely duck. They saw feudal society as irrational, consisting of small piles of nondescript rubbish, but adde parvum parvo magnus acervus erit (add a little to a little and you get a great flooking heap – Hovis, “Second Dialogue Concerning the Scrofula”). With the Reformation, the face of Europe was warped by intense mascara and facial tattooing. England was no exception; protestants continuously blah blah until it almost fell off. Then the English King Eider VIII, blah blah Pope blah blah roll me over lay me down and do it again. More (feathered in the right arm and lower back only) wrote Utopia in 1516, just before the outbreak of the second game of Football. Utopia, originally written in Latin and later translated into Latin, depicts what its narrator Sir Dakota Fanning claimed to be an ideal human society. The book was a huge success, so at least the author’s life became a whole lot more ideal, if you know what I mean. He was now able to afford to prove the famous old saying amare et sapere vix deo conceditur (even the wise find shagging essentially ludicrous - Horace, "Third Dialogue Concerning the Proper Disposition of Horses").

  5. 5 out of 5

    Ryan

    The term 'utopia' in the way we use it today, to refer to an ideal but unattainable state, comes from this book, which More wrote in 1516. The form is political critique disguised as fantasy disguised as travelogue. More casts himself as the recorder of Raphael Hythloday's travels to the island of Utopia, where, despite their lack of Christianity, the people are closer to realizing the Christian ideal society through rational government than Europe ever was. Today serious criticism doesn't have The term 'utopia' in the way we use it today, to refer to an ideal but unattainable state, comes from this book, which More wrote in 1516. The form is political critique disguised as fantasy disguised as travelogue. More casts himself as the recorder of Raphael Hythloday's travels to the island of Utopia, where, despite their lack of Christianity, the people are closer to realizing the Christian ideal society through rational government than Europe ever was. Today serious criticism doesn't have to move under such elaborate cover, so our first impulse might be to read it like an escapist fantasy novel. But the book is really a counterpoint to the autocratic statesmanship (waning feudalism) outlined in Machiavelli's The Prince (written a few years earlier) and the new economic relations of enclosure (rising capitalism) emerging in England at the time. Think of it as a sequel to Plato's Republic and an inspiration for Swift's Gulliver's Travels. More asks: what if money and private property were abolished? Almost 500 years later it remains an interesting question. The book is also, though short, full of wit and imaginative scenarios. On every page!

  6. 4 out of 5

    Madeline

    Interesting, mostly just because it's cool to see what people (or at least Thomas More) considered to be an ideal society back then. Because really, it isn't. There's a lot that I thought was really strange about Utopia (Latin for "no place"), but here's what I remember most: when parents are considering marrying their children off, they have the two teenagers stand naked in front of each other (accompanied by dependable chaperones, of course) so they can make sure neither of them has any weird Interesting, mostly just because it's cool to see what people (or at least Thomas More) considered to be an ideal society back then. Because really, it isn't. There's a lot that I thought was really strange about Utopia (Latin for "no place"), but here's what I remember most: when parents are considering marrying their children off, they have the two teenagers stand naked in front of each other (accompanied by dependable chaperones, of course) so they can make sure neither of them has any weird deformities or anything. Logical on paper, I guess, but what I wondered was, what happens if the marriage negotiations fell through? Did these two people occasionally run into each other at the market, make brief eye contact, and then quickly run away, pretending they didn't know what the other looked like naked? I just think that would be all kinds of awkward. Read for: Early British Literature

  7. 5 out of 5

    Alex Farrand

    The first time I heard of Utopia was in the movie Ever After: A Cinderella Story starring Drew Barrymore. Super cute movie, and I am not a big Cinderella fan. Danielle, or Cinderella, reads this book constantly, because it was the last thing her father gave her before he died. It is her last link to him. I have been sort of curious about this book since then. Utopia is about the perfect nation. It has wealth. The Prince doesn't take much. There is no thievery, everyone (well mostly) is morally g The first time I heard of Utopia was in the movie Ever After: A Cinderella Story starring Drew Barrymore. Super cute movie, and I am not a big Cinderella fan. Danielle, or Cinderella, reads this book constantly, because it was the last thing her father gave her before he died. It is her last link to him. I have been sort of curious about this book since then. Utopia is about the perfect nation. It has wealth. The Prince doesn't take much. There is no thievery, everyone (well mostly) is morally good. Gold and fancy clothes are nothing to the people. There is religious tolerance. All the wants of society are in Utopia! COME ONE, COME ALL, AND LIVE IN UTOPIA. Well it wouldn't work in the States. It isn't the "American way." You can poke some holes in Utopia, too. There isn't equality. Women are still below men in the spectrum. Even though everyone is respected or everything is distributed equally, women do not hold authority. The other thing I noticed it didn't account for other sexual preferences, only heterosexuality. Staying true to real life, there can never be a perfect system. Something is always lost, but we can imagine and work with the perfect system. I did find it as a whole a very interesting topic, and I could agree to some things. For example: If we took out all the meaning behind gold and silver there would be no want for it. Same with all material things. I can get down with religious tolerance, and accepting people by their appearance. The narrator, James Adams, had a nice voice, and appropriate for the time expected. The audio was only 4 hours long with short chapters, which was another plus. At the end, can this be achievable somewhere, and is it worth living there? What are your thoughts? Happy reading. blog: www.dancingbetweenthecovers.com

  8. 4 out of 5

    Florencia

    This book was published in 1516 and it's divided into two parts. The first one made my eyes feel exhausted, so I can sum up all that just by saying that More found his friend Peter and this one introduced him to a fella named Raphael, a man who visited several countries to satisfy his desire to see the world. He shared some opinions of the political scenario of his time (a bit familiar; whether you are talking about yesterday's kingdoms or today's democratic governments, some things never change This book was published in 1516 and it's divided into two parts. The first one made my eyes feel exhausted, so I can sum up all that just by saying that More found his friend Peter and this one introduced him to a fella named Raphael, a man who visited several countries to satisfy his desire to see the world. He shared some opinions of the political scenario of his time (a bit familiar; whether you are talking about yesterday's kingdoms or today's democratic governments, some things never change) and talked about some general aspects of this awesome island called Utopia. The other two guys couldn't believe that such a land could subsist, since it was a place where, for instance, private property didn't exist. A million words and a couple of eyelashes later, Raphael started to talk specifically about Utopia: all things relating to their soil, their rivers, their towns, their people, their manners, constitution, laws... And here I stop. Laws. This society has few laws. Why? They very much condemn other nations whose laws, together with the commentaries on them, swell up to so many volumes; for they think it an unreasonable thing to oblige men to obey a body of laws that are both of such a bulk and so dark as not to be read and understood by every one of the subjects. That last line seems to have been quite a source of ideas to the great Kafka. And I agree: laws should be simpler, everybody should be able to understand them; and that bureaucracy that sucks life out of people should be eradicated, etc., etc. And so did the Utopians: few laws and, of course, no lawyers. (…) they consider them as a sort of people whose profession it is to disguise matters and to wrest the laws; and therefore they think it is much better that every man should plead his own cause, and trust it to the judge... By this means they both cut off many delays. Ignore this paragraph. I need to vent and I am going to hide it for your own good. (view spoiler)[Well, More, this is a bit irritating. It's not my fault that we have a collapsed legal system, I'm not the one who spends a month signing one freaking paper! [email protected]#$% bastards that after two months they give you one lousy answer while the moron that also had to study tons of books for five [email protected]#$% years (and has to watch those laws being violated just like that) has to answer to the client and try to explain why the freaking process is taking like five years of his/her LIFE, DAMN IT. (hide spoiler)] Breathe. Excellent. Anyway, this is a book about an ideal land, a pagan place. Saint Thomas' perfect society was one that worshiped the sun or the moon or believed in a Supreme Being. A society ruled by reason had to believe in something. People who didn't believe in the afterlife, commonly known as atheists, were considered beasts because they rejected a state of rewards and punishments to the good and bad people after life on earth. So, such a human being who is not afraid of anything but the laws is more likely to break them to satisfy his appetites... Not a warm and fuzzy land for the non-believers. It has to be said, Utopians despised atheists and treated them like animals and forbade them ranks and honors and stuff, however, they did not punish them in order to avoid hypocrisy: so that men are not tempted to lie or disguise their opinions . Not that bad, huh? As I said, this was a perfect place with no private property, with slavery (adulterers, watch out), with few laws and where everyone was happy with no legal problems to solve (yup, More, being a great lawyer himself, apparently wasn't a big fan of lawyers... sly creature!). Suddenly, a disturbing image comes to mind: Jokes aside, this is an interesting book to read with a lot of coffee in your system. A man imagined what a perfect country should be like, and yes, it is not that perfect. This book started a bit slow for me, but then it got better. I would recommend this to people who enjoy history, otherwise you can drink all the coffee Colombia has to offer, but you still won't reach page 5. Dec 24, 13 * Also on my blog. ** Photo credit: Gif from The Simpsons by Matt Groening / via Giphy.

  9. 4 out of 5

    Ahmad Sharabiani

    Utopia, Thomas More عنوانها: اتوپیا؛ آرمانشهر؛ شهر آرزو؛ نویسنده: توماس مور؛ تاریخ نخستین خوانش: اول سپتامبر سال 1988 میلادی عنوان: شهر آرزو؛ اثر: توماس مور؛ ترجمه: حسین سالکی؛ مشخصات نشر: تهران، حسین سالکی، 1366، در 184 ص؛ موضوع: مدینه فاضله، داستانهای نویسندگان انگلیسی قرن 16 م عنوان: آرمانشهر؛ مترجم: مرضیه خسروی؛ تهران، روزگارنو، 1393؛ در 128 ص؛ شابک: 9786006867960؛ شرح زندگی مردم انگلستان در قرن 16 میلادی است، در آن سالها انگلستان درگیر جنگهای بسیار بود، و فقر و فساد و منازعات داخلی در انگلستان Utopia, Thomas More عنوانها: اتوپیا؛ آرمانشهر؛ شهر آرزو؛ نویسنده: توماس مور؛ تاریخ نخستین خوانش: اول سپتامبر سال 1988 میلادی عنوان: شهر آرزو؛ اثر: توماس مور؛ ترجمه: حسین سالکی؛ مشخصات نشر: تهران، حسین سالکی، 1366، در 184 ص؛ موضوع: مدینه فاضله، داستانهای نویسندگان انگلیسی قرن 16 م عنوان: آرمانشهر؛ مترجم: مرضیه خسروی؛ تهران، روزگارنو، 1393؛ در 128 ص؛ شابک: 9786006867960؛ شرح زندگی مردم انگلستان در قرن 16 میلادی است، در آن سالها انگلستان درگیر جنگهای بسیار بود، و فقر و فساد و منازعات داخلی در انگلستان بیداد میکرد؛ به طوری که در آن سالها کمتر خانواده ای در انگلستان مشاهده میشد که تنی چند از خانواده ی خود را در جنگها از دست نداده؛ و یا به هر نحوی درگیر اختلافات و درگیریها نبوده باشد. گروهی از مردمان انگلستان نیز در آن سالها عادت کرده بودند، که معاش خود را از راه اشتغال در مشاغل نظامی تامین نمایند، و این عملا به گسترده شدن فضای نظامی در انگلستان کمک میکرد. آنگاه که جنگ داخلی به پایان رسید، پارتیزانهای سابق دست به کار راهزنی زدند. همچنین در آن سالها به دلیل اهمیت صادرات پشم از انگلستان به فلاندر، بسیاری از کشاورزان مزارع خود را به چراگاه تبدیل کرده بودند، لذا قیمت نان بسیار بالا رفته بود، و هر روز به تعداد بیکاران در کشور افزوده میشد، و دولت هم به دلیل اوضاع اسفبار راهها، مجازات مرگ را برای راهزنان معین کرد. اما با این احوال همچنان روز به روز اوضاع زندگی در انگلستان برای خانواده های فقیر و کم درآمد دشوار و دشوارتر شد. «مور» برای تسکین آلام مردم انگلستان، به نوشتن کتاب اتوپی روی آورد، و ضمن تشریح وضعیت نابسامان کشور، و گله و شکایت از آن، رافائل هیتلدئو را که در هنگام دریانوردی موفق به کشف جزیره اتوپی میشود، معرفی میکند. رافائل بیان میدارد زندگی در اتوپی سراسر خوشبختی است، و بی عدالتی وجود ندارد، و مانند جمهور افلاطون دارای نظامات اشتراکی است. در اتوپیا 24 شهر وجود دارد. نقشه ی همه شهرها دقیق و کامل است، تمامی ساختمانها شبیه به هم بوده، و مردم میتوانند خانه های خود را با دیگران عوض کنند، همه یک جور لباس میپوشند، البته به جز مردان و زنها و افراد متاهل هر خانواده ای لباس خود را میدوزد. در اتوپی قانون مالکیت موجود نیست، و کارهای راهزنی و نوکری و بانکداری وجود ندارد. همه موظف هستند 6 ساعت کار کنند و همه هر وقت کمبودی داشته باشند میتوانند از انبار عمومی برداشت کنند. تشکیلات اداری و سیاسی اتوپیا کاملا دموکراتیک است. البته «مور» میگوید در اتوپیا بردگانی هم وجود داشتند، که شامل سه دسته از افراد میشدند: یا شهروندانی بودند که باید به عنوان برده کار میکردند تا کیفر مجازات خود را پس دهند، یا اسیران جنگی بودند، و یا گروهی از خارجیانی بودند که بردگی را به حضور در کشور خود ترجیح میدادند. برخلاف افلاطون، «مور» مقام ازدواج را ارج نهاده، و طلاق را به شرط عدم توافق میان زن و مرد میپذیرد، و برای هر خانواده ای مسکن جدا در نظر میگیرد. البته باز بیان میدارد که هر دو سال، افراد میتوانند خانه های خود را با هم عوض کنند؛ وی همچنین اعلام میدارد هر زمان که فرزندان در یک خانواده زیاد شود، رئیس شهر میتواند فرزندان خانواده ها را به دیگران بسپارد تا توازن در جامعه برقرار شود. تمامی ادیان در اتوپیا کاملا آزادند حتی کافران نیز در اتوپیا به راحتی میتوانند به انتشار عقاید خود بپردازند؛ دین رسمی اتوپیا خداپرستی همراه با نوعی طبیعت پرستی است و آزار و اذیت سایر ادیان دارای مجازات است. ا. شربیانی

  10. 4 out of 5

    Luís C.

    From the Greek meaning "happy place," Utopia is an ideal country described by Raphael Hythlodaeus, who observed his organization during his many travels. Based on a collectivist basis, since the property does not exist, life in this company has some advantages: 6 hours of daily work (compared to France in 1840, the legal working week was 78 hours!), Insurance of food to eat, and be properly dressed, no death penalty (at that time in England a simple larceny enough to be hanged), no war (the state From the Greek meaning "happy place," Utopia is an ideal country described by Raphael Hythlodaeus, who observed his organization during his many travels. Based on a collectivist basis, since the property does not exist, life in this company has some advantages: 6 hours of daily work (compared to France in 1840, the legal working week was 78 hours!), Insurance of food to eat, and be properly dressed, no death penalty (at that time in England a simple larceny enough to be hanged), no war (the state uses its wealth to pay mercenaries foreigners in case of attack), freedom of religion. In return, everyday life is reminiscent of a monastic community on the rigidity of hours and without any fancy tonight in meals (collective), schedules and very restrictive leisure (no games, no hunt). pleasure is twofold: the absence of suffering, often resulting from the slumber of a need, or the senses like, provides the music. Little reference to education, apart from the need to format the young minds in the sense of a moral sense in harmony with the precepts of life in society. This work has been considered as the beginning of sociology. He will not have brought happiness to its author as this one, after accessing the burden of Chancellor of the Kingdom, fall into disgrace for his refusal to recognize the marriage of King and Anne Boleyn, and sentenced to death.

  11. 4 out of 5

    Rıdvan

    Ya abi şimdi tamam da olmaz ki böyle ama. Yani saygı duyuyorum adama . Eyvalla. Anlatıyo güzel güzel. İşte bi ada varmış. Adı Ütopia 'ymış. Orda hayat çok güzelmiş. Şimdi detay veremeyeceğim. Şöyle özetleyeyim; bu hayatta yaşadığımız saçmalıkların hiç biri yok. Herşey mükemmel. Kanun düzen tıkır tıkır işliyo. Kimse zengin değil, kimse fakir değil, para denen bir şey yok, insanlar hep namuslu hep dürüst hep yardımsever. Hele devlet, tam bir baba. Her vatandaşını her yurttaşını koruyo. Yani dediği Ya abi şimdi tamam da olmaz ki böyle ama. Yani saygı duyuyorum adama . Eyvalla. Anlatıyo güzel güzel. İşte bi ada varmış. Adı Ütopia 'ymış. Orda hayat çok güzelmiş. Şimdi detay veremeyeceğim. Şöyle özetleyeyim; bu hayatta yaşadığımız saçmalıkların hiç biri yok. Herşey mükemmel. Kanun düzen tıkır tıkır işliyo. Kimse zengin değil, kimse fakir değil, para denen bir şey yok, insanlar hep namuslu hep dürüst hep yardımsever. Hele devlet, tam bir baba. Her vatandaşını her yurttaşını koruyo. Yani dediğim gibi her şey mükemmel. Ama o kadar hayali bir şey anlatıyor ki More; insanın inanası gelmiyo. Tamam zaten adı üstünde bu bir "Ütopia". Ama bu kadar da ütopya olmaz yaff. Yani onun bile bir sınırı olur değil mi? Üstelik bunu 1400'lü yıllarda anlatmış. Tam bir çılgınlık. Kendisiyle konuşma fırsatım olsaydı ona şöyle derdim; Bak kardeş, herşeyi gayet güzel hayal etmişsin. Gayet güzel anlatmışsın. Anlatırken "adam olur düzgün bir system kurar ve sisteminizi de iyi koruyabilirseniz, herşey gayet mükemmel olur" mesajınıda vermişsin. Ancak şunu unutuyorsun, ya da bilmezden geliyorsun, yok sayıyorsun; bütüüüüüünnn bu anlattığın hikayenin baş kahramanı insan. Ve maalesef insan denen hayvan doğuştan kötüdür. Hırslıdır. Sürekli kazanmak ve başkalarını köleleştirmek ister. Tanrı olmak ister, tapılmak ister. İstediğin sistemi kur. Bu kadar büyük kalabalıklar içinde mutlaka birileri o sistemin arkasına dolanmak ister. Ve o "sistemini iyi koru" maddesine uyamazsın. Kim koruyacak o sistemi, insanlar. E o insanlardan kim koruyacak? Bak sen bütün bunları söyleyeli 500 yıl oldu. Gördün mü nerdeyiz, nerelere geldik? Ulaştığımız bilgi seviyesi muazzam. Senin o zamanlar hayal dahi edemediğin işleri yapıyoruz. Hatta ölümsüzlüğün peşindeyiz. Tanrıya kafa tutuyoruz. Ama yinede ortalama bilgi seviyemiz sanırım senin çağının çok gerilerinde. Şöyle formüle edelim, işin içine azıcık mühendislik katalım; Ortalama Bilgi Seviyesi = Tüm dünyada üretilen toplam bilgi miktarı / Dünya nüfusu Bu gözle baktığında siz bizi kat kat geçiyorsunuz bence. Yani anlayacağın insan denen varlık dünya üzerindeki hakimiyetini arttırdıkça, cehalet artıyor, karanlıklar artıyor, hırs artıyor, potansiyel köle adaylarının sayısı artıyor. Dünyanın bir köşesinde birileri müslüman ülkelerden girişleri yasaklamaya çalışırken, diger bir köşesinde müslümanlar müslümanları gerçek müslüman olmadıkları gerekçesiyle öldürüyor, diger bir köşesinde ise birileri birilerine mini etek giyiyor diye uçan tekme atıyor ve serbest kalıyor. Dünya üzerinde ki savaşlar sizin döneminizden daha fazla. Hayvanlara ve ya tabiata uygulanan sistematik katliamdan bahsetmiyorum bile. Kendi kendimizi yoketmek üzereyiz Sayın More. Sen neden bahsediyosun arkadaş?

  12. 4 out of 5

    Lynne King

    Painful like pulling teeth...An experience not to be repeated.

  13. 4 out of 5

    Darwin8u

    You wouldn't abandon ship in a storm just because you couldn't control the winds. -- Thomas More, Utopia After reading Hilary Mantel's amazing first two Booker-prizing winning books of her Henry VIII trilogy (Wolf Hall and Bring Up the Bodies), I felt I needed to actually bust into Thomas More's Utopia. How could I consider myself educated and not have at least tasted a bit of More's utopian ideal, his veiled criticisms of European culture and values, and his unobtainable vision of the ideal socie You wouldn't abandon ship in a storm just because you couldn't control the winds. -- Thomas More, Utopia After reading Hilary Mantel's amazing first two Booker-prizing winning books of her Henry VIII trilogy (Wolf Hall and Bring Up the Bodies), I felt I needed to actually bust into Thomas More's Utopia. How could I consider myself educated and not have at least tasted a bit of More's utopian ideal, his veiled criticisms of European culture and values, and his unobtainable vision of the ideal society? At times Utopia seems overdone/overripe, like even More wasn't buying his own brand of guiding, noble principles. Still, Utopia works because it is playful and ironic. I'm not sure I would view it as great (to me it doesn't measure up to either Plato's The Republic or Swift's Gulliver's Travels), but I do believe the interaction between More's brand of political idealism with Cromwell's ruthless pragmatism, ended up creating in England something really GREAT.

  14. 5 out of 5

    El

    (I read this book as part of a reading project I have undertaken with some other nerdy friends in which we read The Novel: A Biography and some of the other texts referenced by Schmidt.) In 1516, some guy called Thomas More put out this little book describing a fictional place called Utopia. What kills me about this little book is that More wrote it in Latin. Latin. I can barely write in English most days. So this island of Utopia shows a completely organized society where everyone seems to be exc (I read this book as part of a reading project I have undertaken with some other nerdy friends in which we read The Novel: A Biography and some of the other texts referenced by Schmidt.) In 1516, some guy called Thomas More put out this little book describing a fictional place called Utopia. What kills me about this little book is that More wrote it in Latin. Latin. I can barely write in English most days. So this island of Utopia shows a completely organized society where everyone seems to be exceptionally happy, and I don't even believe drugs were involved. I mean, I'm not sure what else to say about the "plot" that people don't already know, even if one hasn't read the book. We all have heard of the concept of a "utopia", and a bunch of people after him have written their own versions, and a lot of times they're super boring because when people wax philosophical about the way they wish things were, it usually turns into this emotionless list of pros with very few cons. More somehow avoids this by creating this narrative between himself and some dude named Raphael who describes this place, Utopia, to More. Maybe that's also a cop-out, a pathetic way for More (who was no angel, by the way) to say "I want all this to happen, but I don't have the stones to say it, so I'll pretend like this other guy told me about it, and then I don't have to really do anything." There's that option. Or there's this other option, since we're talking about the evolution of the novel and all, that More wrote a fictional account to build this world that he imagined, and he did it without just telling a traditional story. I've just read Gertrude Stein's The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas and Virginia Woolf's Orlando somewhat recently, two other books that play with style - in the former, a fake autobiography; in the latter, a fake biography. And here, in Utopia, we have a fake... what... travelogue? Sure, why not. Much like Sir Mandeville in The Travels of Sir John Mandeville. I mean, who really thinks today that Mandeville met people in another country whose faces were on their chest between their shoulders? I look at Utopia in a similar light. A friend asked in a thread about this whether or not I thought this was a work of satire. That was a great question, and one I hadn't considered while reading. (Let me preface this by saying I don't read satire well. Somehow satire just sort of falls flat for me, or I don't recognize it all.) I don't think More necessarily meant for this to be a satire. I also don't believe he was saying this is how he hoped society would be one day, or that there would be any real benefit to this. I felt it was just a story he was telling, one that may not have right or wrong answers, but he'd throw it all out there for the reader to decide for themselves. I think we all have a concept of a utopian society in our heads, but if we actually shared those thoughts with others, more likely than not someone else would say "No way, that's ridiculous and I would think x or y would be horrible." My version of utopia may not be your version, and vice versa. (Though my utopia has a lot of puppies and books and burritos; what could possibly be wrong with all of that? Unless you're allergic to puppies... you get my point.) I found this an interesting read, and super quick. I had in my mind this would be a difficult read, or take me a while. But that's probably because I read this right after Thomas Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur which took me months to read, and here's another 16th-century book, and guh, what if it takes another couple of months... so I was a bit nervous going into it. I'm happy to say, however, that it read quickly and I found it enjoyable. Even the comments that should be offensive (like the bit about the pregnant women being sick all the time) felt more tongue-in-cheek than More saying pregnant women repulsed him. Or maybe I was just so happy to be done with stupid Malory that nothing More said could be wrong. Next up: The Countess of Pembroke's Arcadia, Sir Philip Sidney

  15. 4 out of 5

    Mahdy

    Thomas More is traveling in the Low Countries when he sees his friend, Peter Giles. Giles introduces him to a well-traveled friend of his, Raphael Hythloday. Raphael speaks of many countries and their policies and laws, and freely criticizes the laws of their own countries.He then begins speaking of a country, Utopia, which he thinks is ruled very well and is a perfect country. More begs Raphael to speak more of Utopia, and he does. He first tells of their towns, which are all as identical as poss Thomas More is traveling in the Low Countries when he sees his friend, Peter Giles. Giles introduces him to a well-traveled friend of his, Raphael Hythloday. Raphael speaks of many countries and their policies and laws, and freely criticizes the laws of their own countries.He then begins speaking of a country, Utopia, which he thinks is ruled very well and is a perfect country. More begs Raphael to speak more of Utopia, and he does. He first tells of their towns, which are all as identical as possible, and have a maximum of 6,000 families. He then speaks of their magistrates, who are called Philarchs, and are chosen every year by thirty families. An Archphilarch overlooks every ten Philarchs. The Utopians' manner of life is unusual, as gold is of no value, and everything is therefore free. Also, they spend their lives in the city and in the suburbs, living in each place for two years at a time. Laws dictate that they are not to travel without a 'passport', which can only be obtained from the Prince and states where and for how long they are allowed to travel. Slaves and marriages are spoken of next. Prisoners of war are not taken as slaves, unless they fought in the battles; women are not to be married before eighteen, and men before twenty-two. Sexual encounters before marriage are prohibited, as are polygamy and adultery. There are no lawyers in Utopia, as everybody defends himself or herself in court. Their military discipline is such that everyone trains for the army on a daily basis, however, the Utopians prefer to hire armies rather than to let their own people go to war, and as money does not matter much to them they can do this without much discomfort. Women are encouraged to join their husbands at war. Religion is the last topic that is spoken of, and there are many religions in Utopia, as people are free to practice whatever they believe. However, the law states that they must all believe in one Divine Being and that they are forbidden to believe that the human's soul dies with his body. Raphael speaks of the way the country and the people deal with the issues and problems associated with each of these topics, and how we could learn from them and their wisdom.

  16. 4 out of 5

    Emad (TheBookCritic)

    كلنا نحلم بذلك المكان الجميل، المليء بالفراشات! إذا كنت تعتقد أن مثل هذا المكان غير موجود على أرض الواقع، فأنت مخطىء تماماً! إنه موجود! وهناك شخص واحد زاره وعاد قبل مدة كي يخبرنا عن مباهجه وعن مدى روعته وإبهاره! هذا الشخص هو رافائيل هايثلوداي، راوي قصة :: يوتوبيا:: :) يوتوبيا (المدينة الفاضلة) ليست كالمدن الأخرى! تخيل فقط، مكانا لا حروب فيه، لا فقر، لا قهر. تخيل مكاناً فيه تُمطِر السماء مارشميللو :) باختصار، تخيل مكانا معاكسا بشكل أفضل للمكان الذي تعيش فيه أنت حالياً. ممتاز، هذا المكان الذي تخيلته كلنا نحلم بذلك المكان الجميل، المليء بالفراشات! إذا كنت تعتقد أن مثل هذا المكان غير موجود على أرض الواقع، فأنت مخطىء تماماً! إنه موجود! وهناك شخص واحد زاره وعاد قبل مدة كي يخبرنا عن مباهجه وعن مدى روعته وإبهاره! هذا الشخص هو رافائيل هايثلوداي، راوي قصة :: يوتوبيا:: :) يوتوبيا (المدينة الفاضلة) ليست كالمدن الأخرى! تخيل فقط، مكانا لا حروب فيه، لا فقر، لا قهر. تخيل مكاناً فيه تُمطِر السماء مارشميللو :) باختصار، تخيل مكانا معاكسا بشكل أفضل للمكان الذي تعيش فيه أنت حالياً. ممتاز، هذا المكان الذي تخيلته للتو، وربما فغرت فاك أو سال لعابك وأنت تتخيله، هو اليوتوبيا التي حدثنا عنها الأخ الفاضل رافائيل عبر كتاب توماس مور!! هذا المكان يجمع كل مباهج الدنيا وملذّاتها، لكن .. انتظر! لا تشطح كثيرا .. بصراحة، عندما قلت لك أن هذا المكان مليء بالفراشات والمارشميللو .. لم أكن صادقا مئة بالمئة! هذا المكان أيضا، مليء بالآلات! لا أقصد الآلات بمعناها التقليدي .. بل أقصد البشر. البشر فيها أشبه بالآلات .. الأفراد غير متميزين عن بعضهم، الكل نفس الشيء .. وأيضاً، هناك الكثير والكثير من العَبيد أيضاً! كي أكون أكثر صراحة، هذه المدينة هي مدينة فاضلة بالتأكيد، ولكن السبب الحقيقي وراء أفضليتها، هو أنها نزعت أصل النزاع في البشر - العقل! فكما هو واضح عبر التاريخ، أن العقل كان وما زال هو السبب الأوحد (والأسباب الأخرى كلها ثانوية) لاختلافنا نحن البشر وتنازعنا! ولكن .. في اليوتوبيا، لا وجود الفردية، ولا وجود للعقلية المستقلة! في الواقع ليس هناك إلا عقل واحد، وهذا العقل الموحد موجود في رأس كل يتوبيوي! لذلك .. لن تجد حروبا هناك .. ولا فقر .. ولا صراع! لن تجد إلا العَبيد والآلات!! بالتأكيد لا يمكن لمثل هذه اليوتوبيا أن توجد! فإنها لكي توجد لا بد أن يختفي البشر أولاً! أو أن يتحولوا إلى آلات! وكلا الأمرين مستحيل نظرياً :) ومن فكاهيات الكاتب الأديب توماس مور أنه اختار للراوي (الذي يدعي أنه زار هذه اليوتوبيا) اسما غريبا وفيه لمحة فكاهية جداً، وهو: هايثلوداي! واسم هايثلوداي يعني (الذي يهرف بما لا يعرف!!). يبدو أن توماس مور الله يرحمه كان دمه خفيف ودائم الابتسام - يكفي أن تنظر في وجهه السمح حتى تتأكد من نغاشته!! :) :) على كل حال!! بعدما انتهيت من قراءة الكتاب، أحببت النزاع! فالنزاع على ما يبدو، هو الدليل الوحيد على بشريتنا وعلى تمايزنا واختلافنا الذي لن ينتهي .. ولله الحمد :) :)

  17. 4 out of 5

    Miriam

    More's fusion of Christianity, socialism, and republicanism reflects his humanist conception of an ideal society, and in so doing constitutes criticism of contemporary English society. More argues that virtue is natural and something for which all humans have an innate desire. He characterizes virtue more concretely than most philosophers of his day, defining it as doing the utmost to increase happiness (found primarily in simple pleasures) for all. The state should remain minimal and intervene More's fusion of Christianity, socialism, and republicanism reflects his humanist conception of an ideal society, and in so doing constitutes criticism of contemporary English society. More argues that virtue is natural and something for which all humans have an innate desire. He characterizes virtue more concretely than most philosophers of his day, defining it as doing the utmost to increase happiness (found primarily in simple pleasures) for all. The state should remain minimal and intervene only when people fail to be virtuous. England, by this rule, is not virtuous because its rulers prevent the people and the state from behaving naturally. Rulers should not seek wealth, possessions, conquest, and power. Human beings are ends, not means, and rulers have no right to sacrifice them in efforts to gain these unnatural desires. Civilization should instead be primitive and harmonious. Because individuals are more important than property, there should be no capital punishment. Instead, criminals should be punished with slavery, and when reformed they should be returned to society. Prisoners of war, taken in self-defense, could also be enslaved. When aggressive nations are defeated, educated citizens should be sent to rule them. Utopia was written specifically as a response to Henry's break with Rome; More had hoped that reform would be initiated by the Church. He had little hope of reform coming from rulers, whom he saw as entirely selfish in their oppression of their subjects for their own ends. Wealth and power are corrupting influences which destroy human reason's natural virtue and ability to know God (More believed that in a state of nature Christian revelation was unnecessary). Here endeth my general explanation. For more in-depth study of More, I recommend Carl Kowsky and Russell Aimes.

  18. 4 out of 5

    Ryan

    This is one of the worst books I have ever read. Poorly written, annoyingly condescending, ridiculously simplistic and more than anything, stupid. No wonder why the commies (Lenin and others) commemorated More in the early days of communist Russia. his ideals are to "get rid of the beggars" by forced labor, allow no private ownership of anything, no specialization of labor, (yet still have a highly artistic/agrarian society, everything totally equal, (except for the "temporary" ruling class) a b This is one of the worst books I have ever read. Poorly written, annoyingly condescending, ridiculously simplistic and more than anything, stupid. No wonder why the commies (Lenin and others) commemorated More in the early days of communist Russia. his ideals are to "get rid of the beggars" by forced labor, allow no private ownership of anything, no specialization of labor, (yet still have a highly artistic/agrarian society, everything totally equal, (except for the "temporary" ruling class) a belief in what Hitler would later term Liebenstruam,(the waging of war against another country for the productive use of the other countries land), and the idea that people would never revert to greed, one-up-manship, or freedom. yes in Utopia your freedom of movement is not alive and well, if you want to go somewhere you need the consent of the government. Good thing Utopia means no-place, and Hythlodaeus means dispenser of nonsense, because that is exactly what this book is, a dispensation of nonsensical Bull-Sh*t.

  19. 5 out of 5

    Bettie☯

    JAN 2017: Youtube 6mins 54secs utopia vs. dystopia 6mins 18secs ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06y9b6t Description: 2016 is the 500th Anniversary of Thomas More's classic work of speculative fiction, which has entered the culture so deeply that the name of his fictional island is the accepted term for our hopes and dreams of a better society. Poet Michael Symmons Roberts dramatisation brings More's strange and enchanting island to JAN 2017: Youtube 6mins 54secs utopia vs. dystopia 6mins 18secs ------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06y9b6t Description: 2016 is the 500th Anniversary of Thomas More's classic work of speculative fiction, which has entered the culture so deeply that the name of his fictional island is the accepted term for our hopes and dreams of a better society. Poet Michael Symmons Roberts dramatisation brings More's strange and enchanting island to life, told through the memoirs of Raphael Hythloday. More goes on a diplomatic trip to Antwerp, to sort out a dispute in the commercial wool trade between Britain and the Netherlands. While he is there he meets an old man who is clearly widely travelled. More complains about the petty politics of the trade dispute, and the old stranger bemoans the state of contemporary society. There is a better way, he says, and I have seen it. The stranger introduces himself as the explorer and adventurer Raphael Hythloday, who at the height of his career of was sent out from Antwerp to explore an unmapped and remote part of the ocean. After months of sailing, he chanced upon an island society unlike any he had seen before. The island was called 'Utopia'. Utopia fleshes out the story of Raphael's visit to the island, giving us vivid descriptions of the place and its society, its laws and social patterns and customs. All the bearings for this new drama are be taken from the rules and descriptions of the island in More's book, and the clues he gives about Raphael's visit. RE-VISIT VIA R4 Raphael Hythloday Raad Rawi Young Raphael Nacho Aldeguer Thomas More Michael Peavoy Achorian Michael Peavoy Peter Giles Cameron Blakeley Abraxa Emily Pithon Barzanes Jonathan Keeble Macaria Fiona Clarke Bettie's Books

  20. 4 out of 5

    Jon(athan) Nakapalau

    This is another book that I had to read because the title become a word in English...I liked the fact that Thomas More was looking for solutions; solutions we are still looking for in this age of globalization - when every country has their own utopian vision. Perhaps that is the "utopian paradox" - how can we all live in peace with differing definitions of utopianism?

  21. 5 out of 5

    Dee Arr

    In a classic what-was-I-thinking moment, I purchased “Utopia,” a 600-year-old book billed on Amazon as a “…fiction and socio-political satire.” I am two-thirds of the way through the book, and I am guessing that satire meant something else in the early 1500s. The book actually reads as a long-winded, mostly one-sided conversation, almost like reading ancient philosophy. As I plowed further and further into the book, I began to create furrows of my own. While I suppose it is unfair to inject today In a classic what-was-I-thinking moment, I purchased “Utopia,” a 600-year-old book billed on Amazon as a “…fiction and socio-political satire.” I am two-thirds of the way through the book, and I am guessing that satire meant something else in the early 1500s. The book actually reads as a long-winded, mostly one-sided conversation, almost like reading ancient philosophy. As I plowed further and further into the book, I began to create furrows of my own. While I suppose it is unfair to inject today’s world into (the not yet Sir) Thomas More’s creation, it was too tempting to ignore the opportunity. Almost. The book talks about Utopia, an island protected from the outside world by natural boundaries that would give the most seasoned sailor pause. All the sins and temptations of the world are ignored or ridiculed here, a world where everyone works (including doing their turn at the farm), plays, studies, and even is given at least eight hours of time to sleep. Anyone who breaks the law becomes a slave, and performs the menial work for the rest of the populace. Today, we might view this combination of socialism/communism/slavery as something abhorrent, or at least an impossibility. There are many parts of this perfect society which would not make sense today, although it was tempting to consider that Utopia had no lawyers…or wouldn’t that make sense, either? Hmm… They also condoned state-sanctioned suicide, meaning as long as you received permission from the powers-that-be, it was okay to poison yourself. Or starve yourself. Or whatever worked. While this book could have been considered controversial by 16th Century standards and brushes up alongside treason (the opening bits of king-praising were probably a life-saving requirement), the presentation in today’s world is a bit quaint at best and best suited primarily for those who are students of history or of Sir Thomas More. As a historical piece of literature, I would give it five stars. Judged against 16th Century readers, it is a fantasy that can only be wished for; for modern readers, a tough slog that causes more questions to emerge than the potential problems it hopes to solve. Three stars. Need to mention, this illustrated version (Kindle edition ASIN: B074WBKDXR) is not worth the price, which also had a bearing on the final decision of three stars.

  22. 5 out of 5

    Mahnam

    تامس مور در آرمانشهر ميكوشد جامعه اي ايده آل را تصوير كند كه خود خوب ميداند به وجود آمدن چنين جمعي شدني نيست براي همين با بازي با كلمات و ساختن يوتوپيا كه همان هيچ آباد يا ناكجا آباد است، به برخي معضلات هميشگي جوامع اشاره ميكند و به اين نتيجه ميرسد كه شكل كنوني جامعه و دولت و حكومت و همه چيز اصلاح پذير نيست چرا كه يگانه چاره واقعي نجات بشر از بين رفتن سيستم مالي است. ايده يوتوپياي مور اگرچه خام و غيركاربردي، به باور بسياري در نهايت به شكلگيري كمونيسم منجر شده است. فارغ از بعد كاربردي بودن توصيه تامس مور در آرمانشهر ميكوشد جامعه اي ايده آل را تصوير كند كه خود خوب ميداند به وجود آمدن چنين جمعي شدني نيست براي همين با بازي با كلمات و ساختن يوتوپيا كه همان هيچ آباد يا ناكجا آباد است، به برخي معضلات هميشگي جوامع اشاره ميكند و به اين نتيجه ميرسد كه شكل كنوني جامعه و دولت و حكومت و همه چيز اصلاح پذير نيست چرا كه يگانه چاره واقعي نجات بشر از بين رفتن سيستم مالي است. ايده يوتوپياي مور اگرچه خام و غيركاربردي، به باور بسياري در نهايت به شكلگيري كمونيسم منجر شده است. فارغ از بعد كاربردي بودن توصيه هاي او، توجه اش به بسياري از امور شايان قدرداني است. او به لزوم رها شدن از سلطه نظام كاري كه همه را به بردگي گرفته است، اعتقاد راسخ داشته است ، به ناكارآمدي مجازات سخت براي مجرمان اشاره كرده است و آسان ميري را براي بيماراني كه علاجي ندارند و دولت و جامعه مرگشان را مجاز شمرده باشند، توصيه كرده است. نظام كلي او اگرچه مردسالارانه است اما در نسبت به زمانه اش بسيار پيشرو به نظر ميرسد و زنان را به آموزش و فعاليت پاياپاي با مردان فرا مي خواند. در مودر آزادي مذهب و اعتقاد هم ميشود گفت كه اگرچه آن را فقط براي خداباوران قبول داشته اما تا حد زيادي به آزادي در اين حوزه اعتقاد داشته است. اگرچه آرمانشهر مور جايي براي تنوع سلايق و فرديت نميگذارد، ميتوان آن را تلاشي براي جداشدن از نيازها و قدرت طلبي هاي بيهوده بشر دانست كه جز جنگ و رنج و بردگي حاصلي نداشته اند.

  23. 5 out of 5

    BAM The Bibliomaniac

    Classics Cleanup Challenge #9 Audio #157 I'm going to be completely honest with y'all because we're all friends here, right? I only read this because I felt like I should have by this point in my life. Good lord I practically slept through it. So dull, but the narrator was good so I think that may have increased my star rating?

  24. 5 out of 5

    tyranus

    İngiliz devlet adamı Thomas More'un kendi çağının İngilteresine siyasi bir önerisidir. Thomas More'un hayatını okuduktan sonra, aşırı dindar bir katoliğin Ütopya gibi sosyalizmin en saf/yalın kitabını yazmış olmasına şaşırabilirsiniz. Kendi döneminde meydana gelen katolik reformlarına şiddetle karşı çıkan, dinsizlere en ağır cezaları veren bir yargıcın/devlet adamının yazdığı kitapta tüm dinlere hoşgörüyle yaklaşması, din ve vicdan özgürlüğünü savunması, ortak iş yükünü/mülkiyetini en iyi yöneti İngiliz devlet adamı Thomas More'un kendi çağının İngilteresine siyasi bir önerisidir. Thomas More'un hayatını okuduktan sonra, aşırı dindar bir katoliğin Ütopya gibi sosyalizmin en saf/yalın kitabını yazmış olmasına şaşırabilirsiniz. Kendi döneminde meydana gelen katolik reformlarına şiddetle karşı çıkan, dinsizlere en ağır cezaları veren bir yargıcın/devlet adamının yazdığı kitapta tüm dinlere hoşgörüyle yaklaşması, din ve vicdan özgürlüğünü savunması, ortak iş yükünü/mülkiyetini en iyi yönetim biçimi olarak öne çıkarması hayret vericidir. More'un Ütopyasındaki durum, o dönemin Avrupa siyasi yaşamının tam tersidir. Kitabın 1. bölümünde mutlak monarşiyle yönetilen mevcut dönemin eleştirisi yapılmış, ardından 2. bölümde "ideal devlet nasıl olmalı" önerisi sunulmuş. More, ingiliz ve bu nedenle İngiltere kralı 8. Henry'den korkmuş olmalı ki, dönemin siyasi eleştirisini yaparken İngilterenin siyasi durumunu eleştirmekten kaçınmış, bunun yerine İngiltere'nin ezeli düşmanı Fransa'yı eleştirmiştir. Ve bu korkuda ne kadar haklı olduğunu ölüm şekliyle de kanıtlamıştır. Kral 8. Henry'nin eski eşinden boşanıp yeniden evlenmesine ve İngiliz Kilisesinin başına geçmesine şiddetle karşı çıkmış, bu nedenle de idam edilmiştir.

  25. 4 out of 5

    Alp Turgut

    Rönesans'ın en önemli eserlerinden biri olan edebiyata "Ütopya" kelimesini kazandırmış Thomas More'un ölümsüz eseri "Utopia", Platon'un "Devlet" başyapıtının izinden giderek en iyi devletin nasıl olması gerektiğini daha da geliştirip okuyucuya sunuyor. Bir yandan Rönesans'ın en önemli özelliklerinden biri olan hümanizmi desteklerken diğer yandan yarattığı ütopik devletle sosyalizmin tohumlarını atan More'un eleştiri odağına mülkiyeti alması ise kitabın neden bu kadar önemli olduğunu özetler nite Rönesans'ın en önemli eserlerinden biri olan edebiyata "Ütopya" kelimesini kazandırmış Thomas More'un ölümsüz eseri "Utopia", Platon'un "Devlet" başyapıtının izinden giderek en iyi devletin nasıl olması gerektiğini daha da geliştirip okuyucuya sunuyor. Bir yandan Rönesans'ın en önemli özelliklerinden biri olan hümanizmi desteklerken diğer yandan yarattığı ütopik devletle sosyalizmin tohumlarını atan More'un eleştiri odağına mülkiyeti alması ise kitabın neden bu kadar önemli olduğunu özetler nitelikte. Gündelik hayatında tutucu tavrıyla bilinen, hatta Katolik Kilisesi'ne bağlılığı yüzünden canından olan ünlü düşünürün böyle bir eseri kaleme alabilmesi kitabı daha da özel kılıyor. Bu arada Türkiye İş Bankası Yayınları tarafından kitaba eklenmiş yaklaşık 100 sayfalık inceleme de eserin bu baskısını zirveye taşımış. Kesinlikle okunması gereken felsefi eserlerin başında geliyor. 09.11.2016 İstanbul, Türkiye Alp Turgut http://www.filmdoktoru.com/kitap-labo...

  26. 5 out of 5

    Arash Esmaeili

    از دیدِ من بهترین قسمتِ این کتاب چند صفحه ی آخر اونه که تامس مور عقایدش در مورد "جامعه همسود" رو بطور "کلی" جمع بندی کرده که میشه با همش موافق بود، اما در بیشترِ متن کتاب که ویژگی های کشوری خیالی به نام یوتوپیا(=آرمانشهر) رو جز به جز بیان کرده،، میشه اشکالات زیادی رو وارد دونست(حداقل از دید من) و خب گریز ناپذیر بوده که نویسنده ی قرن شانزدهمی بعنوان یک قدیس مسیحی سلایق شخصیش رو هم در تصورِ مدینه ی فاضله اش دخالت داده...بطور مثال بعنوان یک معمار با قطعیت میگم ویژگی ای که از معماری یوتوپیا ذکر میکن از دیدِ من بهترین قسمتِ این کتاب چند صفحه ی آخر اونه که تامس مور عقایدش در مورد "جامعه همسود" رو بطور "کلی" جمع بندی کرده که میشه با همش موافق بود، اما در بیشترِ متن کتاب که ویژگی های کشوری خیالی به نام یوتوپیا(=آرمانشهر) رو جز به جز بیان کرده،، میشه اشکالات زیادی رو وارد دونست(حداقل از دید من) و خب گریز ناپذیر بوده که نویسنده ی قرن شانزدهمی بعنوان یک قدیس مسیحی سلایق شخصیش رو هم در تصورِ مدینه ی فاضله اش دخالت داده...بطور مثال بعنوان یک معمار با قطعیت میگم ویژگی ای که از معماری یوتوپیا ذکر میکنه(یکسان بودن تقسیمات شهریِ شهر ها و تیپ بودن خانه ها) کاملا مردود و اشتباهه(مثل کره شمالی)... . "هنگامی که هیچ کس مالک هیچ چیز نباشد، همه ثروتمندند." "حتی فقر، که بنظر می رسد برای درمان آن بیش از هر چیز به پول نیاز است، با از میان رفتن پول محو خواهد شد." تامس مور.از متن کتاب

  27. 4 out of 5

    David Sarkies

    The perfect society as a critique of Tudor England 30 November 2013 I was going to open this commentary with 'where no man has gone before' until I realised that the opening to Star Trek is actually 'Space, the final frontier' and then rambles on a bit more before saying 'to boldly go where no man has gone before'. You may be wondering why I am connecting a book written by a 16th century clergy man with a very popular science-fiction series from the 1960s, and in some cases I may be asking that q The perfect society as a critique of Tudor England 30 November 2013 I was going to open this commentary with 'where no man has gone before' until I realised that the opening to Star Trek is actually 'Space, the final frontier' and then rambles on a bit more before saying 'to boldly go where no man has gone before'. You may be wondering why I am connecting a book written by a 16th century clergy man with a very popular science-fiction series from the 1960s, and in some cases I may be asking that question myself. Is it because I am simply being off topic? Well, not really, because what we have in Star Trek, or at least in the more modern versions of the series, is an ideal society where humanity has managed to solve all of its problems, and that we are now a superior people who can lead the galaxy as a shining example of morality (though if you have a careful look at the series you will notice that this utopian society ends up collapsing in its own contradictions). I noticed that I have used utopia in the above paragraph, and if there is one thing that this book as contributed to the English language, and that is the word utopia, which basically describes a perfect society. However, as much as I have criticised Star Trek in the past for creating a belief (at least among science-fiction nerds) that there will be some critical event in the future that will turn human society around and make everybody realise that they have basically been pricks to each other and that they suddenly have an epiphany that they will stop being pricks, and actually start being nice to each other and to begin to work for the betterment for each other, they are clearly not the first to have created this ideal (and will certainly not be the last). I don't necessarily think that this is what More is saying in his work though because I suspect that what he is doing to using it as a criticism of current English society and instead of simply writing down a long list of what was wrong with society at that time (such as the example he gives at the beginning with thieves being executed for simply stealing a loaf of bread), he is painting a picture of what a perfect society would look like, and using this as a goal that society at his time should start moving towards. More certainly was not the first person to create such a picture, and anybody who has read Plato will certainly see the influence that Plato has had on More. In a way this book seems to have been substantially influenced by Plato's Republic, as well as Plato's writings on the city of Atlantis (and the suggestion here is that More knew that Atlantis never actually existed, and that it was simply a place that Plato created to demonstrate a template of his perfect society). The interesting thing we notice about his society is that there is a focus on learning, as well as a focus of work, however work does not last so long as to result in the workers having no free time. In fact, everybody in the society has a form of work to do (which is a criticism of the classed English society of the time, where the workers would work pretty much all of their lives, while the privileged classes would live in luxury off of their backs). However, I note that the free time does not involve sitting down in front of a TV watching sport (or at least the sixteenth century equivalent) or going to the pub and gambling while drinking beer. This has been a criticism (as espoused in Aldous Huxley) about giving the working class too much free time, and that is because they will simply waste it. That, in a way, is true, because even though I would love to have free time now, I have noticed (and this was the case with myself as well) that a lot of people do not use their free time effectively. I wonder around the pubs here in suburban Melbourne and see that they are full of people sitting at pokie machines drinking beer and gambling. When I was younger, while I have never been addicted to gambling, I would generally waste my free time doing similar things (namely roleplaying, or preparing roleplaying games). However, the idea of learning, and encouraging a hobby for people to do in their free time is a good thing. The problem is that it simply does not work. Once cannot force people to learn, nor can one force people to have a hobby. People generally gravate towards laziness, in the same way that water flows downhill the easiest way possible. However, I find that making human nature as an excuse as to not to attempt to progress human nature is a pretty poor excuse, and if we had maintained that position then the advancements that have brought us to the position that we are now in would never have occurred. However, what I do believe is that we should be able to tap into every persons potential. There are indeed a lot of people out there that, unless they are given a push, will never desire to reach their potential, however there are others that cannot reach their potential due to being bound in some form of slavery. As such, we need to fight against these enslaving forces to enable humanity to truly reach their potential.

  28. 4 out of 5

    Yann

    Thomas More était un anglais contemporain et ami d’Érasme. Nourri de littérature antique, il fut un traducteur du fameux Lucien. Il périt par décollation pour s'être opposé au terrible Henry VIII. Dans cet ouvrage, il décrit dans une première partie très intéressante l'état politique peu reluisant de l'Angleterre à l'aube du XVIème siècle, où la rapacité de quelques uns prive la majorité de moyens de subsistance, et les condamne à la mendicité ou au vol, punis par la dernière rigueur, sans que l Thomas More était un anglais contemporain et ami d’Érasme. Nourri de littérature antique, il fut un traducteur du fameux Lucien. Il périt par décollation pour s'être opposé au terrible Henry VIII. Dans cet ouvrage, il décrit dans une première partie très intéressante l'état politique peu reluisant de l'Angleterre à l'aube du XVIème siècle, où la rapacité de quelques uns prive la majorité de moyens de subsistance, et les condamne à la mendicité ou au vol, punis par la dernière rigueur, sans que le phénomène soit réduit pour autant, les causes des inégalités n'étant pas traitées efficacement. La seconde partie est, à la manière de la République de Platon, ou de l'Atlantide de son Timée, la description d'une société imaginaire dans laquelle les citoyens vivent de manière plus heureuse et rationnelle que dans son Angleterre contemporaine: comme pour le célèbre philosophe Athénien, la propriété privée est abolie, et toutes les rapports les habitants sont réglés rationnellement en fonction de leur activité productrice. Il emprunte également à Sparte la coutume des repas pris en commun, et des esclaves publiques. Même s'il diffère sur certains points, son Utopie est très proche de la République de Platon, dont il emprunte également le style avec l'emploi de dialogues ou interviennent des personnages réels, et de fables.

  29. 4 out of 5

    booklady

    From the Intro to the Kindle edition: ‘More’s “Utopia” was written in Latin, and is in two parts, of which the second, describing the place ([Greek text]—or Nusquama, as he called it sometimes in his letters—“Nowhere”), was probably written towards the close of 1515.’ This was a surprise to me as I thought ‘utopia’ meant someplace idyllic. By definition, ‘an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.’ Synonyms are paradise, heaven (on earth), Eden, Garden of Eden, Shangri-L From the Intro to the Kindle edition: ‘More’s “Utopia” was written in Latin, and is in two parts, of which the second, describing the place ([Greek text]—or Nusquama, as he called it sometimes in his letters—“Nowhere”), was probably written towards the close of 1515.’ This was a surprise to me as I thought ‘utopia’ meant someplace idyllic. By definition, ‘an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.’ Synonyms are paradise, heaven (on earth), Eden, Garden of Eden, Shangri-La, Elysium. The name of the book has given an adjective to our language—we call an impracticable scheme ‘Utopian’. So what was Utopia exactly? No place? Or some place too good to be true? The novel was never published in England during More’s lifetime. The first part, called “The Dialogue of Counsel” is More’s correspondence with several people he had met on the continent. Then he engages in dialogue with a traveler Raphael Hythlodaeus, to whom More was introduced in Antwerp. They discuss how best to deal with the social ill of theft and thieves and how to counsel princes. The second part or book is devoted to the description of the island of Utopia, its geography, community life, economy, philosophy and legal system. Here are just a few interesting characteristics of life in this no-where place:Since everyone works, the actual work day is only six hours. Citizens alternate living between cities and country on a two year cycle. Utopians direct education toward learning useful skills. Marriage is highly esteemed and war is to be avoided if at all possible, yet it is recognized the island must always be prepared for the eventuality. There is no private property, but there is slavery; slaves being condemned criminals, captured prisoners, or foreigners brought in for other reasons. Divorce is permissible under certain circumstances and so is euthanasia. There is no single religion but when Christianity is introduced, many were baptized. Listening to the description as I did I couldn’t help liking some of the utopian ideas and finding others reprehensible. I am not convinced More meant to describe his ideal place. Of course it is possible, but I believe he has given us a start, more like a seed, than a final product—something to get us mentally working on our own ‘perfect place’. I have never tried to create my own, but I suspect it is much harder than any of us imagine it to be…

  30. 5 out of 5

    María Ángeles

    Lo empecé en Diciembre y he ido leyéndolo poco a poco, porque, al menos para mi, es un libro para ir leyendo a trocitos. He marcado mil cosas {¿casi el 40% de las páginas?} porque me llamaban muchísimo la atención determinados fragmentos. Todos con un denominador común: no he sabido interpretar si lo que contaba estaba siendo alabado, o realmente era en plan sátira. Hay partes que me fascinan y partes con las que difiero totalmente. Como están contadas todas con el mismo signo o tono por parte del Lo empecé en Diciembre y he ido leyéndolo poco a poco, porque, al menos para mi, es un libro para ir leyendo a trocitos. He marcado mil cosas {¿casi el 40% de las páginas?} porque me llamaban muchísimo la atención determinados fragmentos. Todos con un denominador común: no he sabido interpretar si lo que contaba estaba siendo alabado, o realmente era en plan sátira. Hay partes que me fascinan y partes con las que difiero totalmente. Como están contadas todas con el mismo signo o tono por parte del autor, irremediablemente me confunden. En definitiva, necesito más vidas para entender Utopía.

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